The following is a rather lengthy comment in response to my post in support of Arizona. Rather than just publish the comment I felt it was best that I post the comment with my responses.
I will put the relevant Poster part first followed by my response. You will find the comment in its entirety attached to the Arizona post.
Poster:
" I saw Jay Leno at Correspondent Dinner his best line was; “That was my favorite story (this year) Republicans and a Lesbian bondage club. It’s ironic, Republicans don’t want lesbian getting married but they do like watching them “tie the knot”. So I thought that was interesting.”
My Response:
This has nothing to do with the Arizona law or even imigration. I find it fascinating that this persons first response to my post is to go completely off track and paint a group of people based on a Jay Leno joke or even to paint an entire group of people based on a single event. Oh wait that's profiling so maybe this person is giving us an example of profiling.
Poster:
You can say the same about Tea Party (they are haters not debaters or as others have dubbed them screamers not dreamers), they say they respect the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence but they do not mind passing laws, through weak Governors (no one voted for this crazy) who only care about getting reelected on the backs of undocumented workers, that will not pass Constitution muster, just like Arizona’s House Bill 2779 from two years ago and your MLK Day ban, keep passing them Arizona and the rest of us will continue to challenged them in a court of law and you will fail again (and yes we will Boycott Arizona). Their phony patriotism is sickening; they are just racists going by another name. We all know you are just itching to put a sheet on their head?
My Response:
Since I never mentioned the Tea Party and no official in Arizona was elected by a Tea Party that I am aware of I am not sure what the point of that part is.
I do agree that you challenge laws in the court, that is the right place to challenge them because what is looked at is the actual law and not irrational fear of a slippery slope that someone is convinced will happen even before the law is implimented. Boycotts among neighbor states are not the answer and only end up hurting everyone. California is having enough trouble managing their own house without attacking a neighbor. As far as undocumented workers I think that's the point to not allow that slavery class to exist because of illegal immigration.
It would have been great to see this person actually read the Arizona law and then comment on the parts that concern them as potential for problems. That however would have meant this person actually had to read the bill, actually had to think about the existing federal law, and instead of mud slinging would have engaged in a real conversation. Unfortunately individuals like this do not think, they only spew the mindless dribble from whomever they receive it be they the left or the right.
The rest of this is a mindless wandering set of mud slinging statements that have nothing to do with my Arizona law post. I will not address this for that reason however I will leave it here to indicate the state of this persons mind.
Poster:
Let’s face it the Republicans had eight years to deal with health care, immigration, climate change and financial oversight and governance and they failed. It appears that the Republican Party is only good at starting wars (two in eight years, with fat contracts to friends of Cheney/Bush) but not at winning wars as seen by the continuing line of body bags that keep coming home. The Republicans party will continue turned inward to their old fashion obstructionist party (and their Confederacy appreciation roots) because they continue to allow a small portions (but very loud portion) of their party of “birthers, baggers and blowhards” to rule their party. I will admit that this fringe is very good at playing “Follow the Leader” by listening to their dullard leaders, Beck, Hedgecock, Hannity, O’Reilly, Rush, Savage, Sarah Bailin, Orly Taitz, Victoria Jackson, Michele Bachmann and the rest of the Blowhards and acting as ill programmed robots (they have already acted against doctors that perform abortions). The Birthers and the Tea party crowd think they can scare, intimidate and force others to go along with them by comments like “This time we came unarmed”, let me tell you something not all ex-military join the fringe militia crazies who don’t pay taxes and run around with face paint in the parks playing commando, the majority are mature and understand that the world is more complicated and grey than the black and white that these simpleton make it out to be and that my friend is the point. The world is complicated and people like Hamilton, Lincoln, and Roosevelt believed that we should use government a little to increase social mobility, now it’s about dancing around the claim of government is the problem. The sainted Reagan passed the biggest tax increase in American history and as a result federal employment increased, but facts are lost when mired in mysticism and superstition. For a party that gave us Abraham Lincoln, it is tragic that the ranks are filled with too many empty suits and the crazy Birthers who have not learned that the way our courts work is that you get a competent lawyer, verifiable facts and present them to a judge, if the facts are real and not half baked internet lies, then, and only then, do you proceed to trial. The Birthers seem to be having a problem with their so called “facts”. Let’s face it no one will take the Birthers seriously until they win a case, but until then, you will continue to appear dumb, crazy or racist, or maybe all three. I heard that Orly Taitz now wants to investigate the “Republican 2009 Summer of Love” list: Assemblyman, Michael D. Duvall (CA), Senator John Ensign (NV), Senator Paul Stanley (TN), Governor Mark Stanford (SC), Board of Ed Chair, and Kristin Maguire AKA Bridget Keeney (SC), she wants to re-establish a family values party, that’s like saying that the Catholic Church cares about the welling being of children in their care, too late for that. Yee Haw!
2 comments:
I hope that every American, regardless of where he lives, will stop and examine his conscience about this and other related incidents. This Nation was founded by men of many nations and backgrounds. It was founded on the principle that all men are created equal, and that the rights of every man are diminished when the rights of one man are threatened. All of us ought to have the right to be treated as he would wish to be treated, as one would wish his children to be treated, but this is not the case.
I know the proponents of this law say that the majority approves of this law, but the majority is not always right. Would women or non-whites have the vote if we listen to the majority of the day, would the non-whites have equal rights (and equal access to churches, housing, restaurants, hotels, retail stores, schools, colleges and yes water fountains) if we listen to the majority of the day? We all know the answer, a resounding, NO!
Today we are committed to a worldwide struggle to promote and protect the rights of all who wish to be free. In a time of domestic crisis men of good will and generosity should be able to unite regardless of party or politics and do what is right, not what is just popular with the majority. Some men comprehend discrimination by never have experiencing it in their lives, but the majority will only understand after it happens to them.
But we did listen to the majority and because of that we have the results you mention. The majority want our border secure and there is nothing wrong with that and nothing damaging to any persons because our border is secure. Countries everywhere have secure borders and fruitful immigration. Arizona, and most of the citizens of the USA, want the same thing. Any problem you perceive with immigration is only aggravated and impossible to address while the borders are unsecured.
(Response by Eric to previous comment)
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