Wednesday, May 19, 2010

Comment about my Arizona thoughts along with my responses

The following is a rather lengthy comment in response to my post in support of Arizona. Rather than just publish the comment I felt it was best that I post the comment with my responses.
I will put the relevant Poster part first followed by my response. You will find the comment in its entirety attached to the Arizona post.

Poster:
" I saw Jay Leno at Correspondent Dinner his best line was; “That was my favorite story (this year) Republicans and a Lesbian bondage club. It’s ironic, Republicans don’t want lesbian getting married but they do like watching them “tie the knot”. So I thought that was interesting.”
My Response:
This has nothing to do with the Arizona law or even imigration. I find it fascinating that this persons first response to my post is to go completely off track and paint a group of people based on a Jay Leno joke or even to paint an entire group of people based on a single event. Oh wait that's profiling so maybe this person is giving us an example of profiling.
Poster:
You can say the same about Tea Party (they are haters not debaters or as others have dubbed them screamers not dreamers), they say they respect the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence but they do not mind passing laws, through weak Governors (no one voted for this crazy) who only care about getting reelected on the backs of undocumented workers, that will not pass Constitution muster, just like Arizona’s House Bill 2779 from two years ago and your MLK Day ban, keep passing them Arizona and the rest of us will continue to challenged them in a court of law and you will fail again (and yes we will Boycott Arizona). Their phony patriotism is sickening; they are just racists going by another name. We all know you are just itching to put a sheet on their head?
My Response:
Since I never mentioned the Tea Party and no official in Arizona was elected by a Tea Party that I am aware of I am not sure what the point of that part is.
I do agree that you challenge laws in the court, that is the right place to challenge them because what is looked at is the actual law and not irrational fear of a slippery slope that someone is convinced will happen even before the law is implimented. Boycotts among neighbor states are not the answer and only end up hurting everyone. California is having enough trouble managing their own house without attacking a neighbor. As far as undocumented workers I think that's the point to not allow that slavery class to exist because of illegal immigration.
It would have been great to see this person actually read the Arizona law and then comment on the parts that concern them as potential for problems. That however would have meant this person actually had to read the bill, actually had to think about the existing federal law, and instead of mud slinging would have engaged in a real conversation. Unfortunately individuals like this do not think, they only spew the mindless dribble from whomever they receive it be they the left or the right.

The rest of this is a mindless wandering set of mud slinging statements that have nothing to do with my Arizona law post. I will not address this for that reason however I will leave it here to indicate the state of this persons mind.

Poster:
Let’s face it the Republicans had eight years to deal with health care, immigration, climate change and financial oversight and governance and they failed. It appears that the Republican Party is only good at starting wars (two in eight years, with fat contracts to friends of Cheney/Bush) but not at winning wars as seen by the continuing line of body bags that keep coming home. The Republicans party will continue turned inward to their old fashion obstructionist party (and their Confederacy appreciation roots) because they continue to allow a small portions (but very loud portion) of their party of “birthers, baggers and blowhards” to rule their party. I will admit that this fringe is very good at playing “Follow the Leader” by listening to their dullard leaders, Beck, Hedgecock, Hannity, O’Reilly, Rush, Savage, Sarah Bailin, Orly Taitz, Victoria Jackson, Michele Bachmann and the rest of the Blowhards and acting as ill programmed robots (they have already acted against doctors that perform abortions). The Birthers and the Tea party crowd think they can scare, intimidate and force others to go along with them by comments like “This time we came unarmed”, let me tell you something not all ex-military join the fringe militia crazies who don’t pay taxes and run around with face paint in the parks playing commando, the majority are mature and understand that the world is more complicated and grey than the black and white that these simpleton make it out to be and that my friend is the point. The world is complicated and people like Hamilton, Lincoln, and Roosevelt believed that we should use government a little to increase social mobility, now it’s about dancing around the claim of government is the problem. The sainted Reagan passed the biggest tax increase in American history and as a result federal employment increased, but facts are lost when mired in mysticism and superstition. For a party that gave us Abraham Lincoln, it is tragic that the ranks are filled with too many empty suits and the crazy Birthers who have not learned that the way our courts work is that you get a competent lawyer, verifiable facts and present them to a judge, if the facts are real and not half baked internet lies, then, and only then, do you proceed to trial. The Birthers seem to be having a problem with their so called “facts”. Let’s face it no one will take the Birthers seriously until they win a case, but until then, you will continue to appear dumb, crazy or racist, or maybe all three. I heard that Orly Taitz now wants to investigate the “Republican 2009 Summer of Love” list: Assemblyman, Michael D. Duvall (CA), Senator John Ensign (NV), Senator Paul Stanley (TN), Governor Mark Stanford (SC), Board of Ed Chair, and Kristin Maguire AKA Bridget Keeney (SC), she wants to re-establish a family values party, that’s like saying that the Catholic Church cares about the welling being of children in their care, too late for that. Yee Haw!

Wednesday, May 05, 2010

Arizona is doing the right thing for their citizens

And before you go there, illegal immigrants in the state are not citizens of the state.

Before any more ignorant individuals decide to "boycott Arizona" perhaps they should read the actual law. Here is the link to it Click Here The protections in the bill against profiling/racism are completely spelled out and that is mostly because the federal law already has those protections built in.

The real problem here has nothing to do with the actual law because all it does is restate the existing federal law, the real problem for some people is the law might actually be enforced more successfully now since Arizona citizens can sue people like the Mayor of Phoenix that want to interfere with law officers actually enforcing the law.

In 2009 there were 2,426,400 non-farm employees and ~500,000 illegal immigrants in the state. Now everyone knows that prices for what we buy are set by a forces referred to as supply & demand. What many people do not realize is that labor rates are set by the same set of forces and if only half of those illegal immigrants are taking jobs then the labor pool is diluted by 10% and labor rates for many industries will remain lower. When you hear a company or industry spokes person say "these are jobs Americans don't want to do" what they are really saying but not going to tell you is that "these are jobs Americans don't want to do FOR WHAT WE WANT TO PAY THEM". Industries like landscaping and others employing illegal immigrants keep labor rates lower for everyone by doing so.

You go Arizona and everyone who believes in the rule of law should support Arizona. Perhaps even spending a little money this year specifically on Arizona Made Products

Even though it is made in New York I will even be buying extra Arizona Tea products this summer.

Come on people, illegal immigration impacts all of us in some way not just the border states.